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Steve Pittelli, MD's avatar

“Speaking for myself, I have never once suggested that the heritability of anything was going to turn out to be zero”

Look, I know you think that there is some smaller heritability for behavioral traits and that this is a sign of being reasonable and that anyone who suggests otherwise is an ideologue, but I have to say that your field has made some assumptions about heritability existing (whether large or small), but not zero for decades. This is a bad assumption, and frankly, bad science to start with and, in my view, has caused a lot of wasted time. All of your studies start with the assumption that traits are heritable (because of twin studies) and it’s a matter of to what extent. Studies should start with the null hypothesis and whether your results are better than the null (and statistically significant). However, the studies to date have never once tested against actual null traits. Instead, there is simply an implied null of zero. I’m sure you know that even a null trait (chop sticks, social security number, zip code, etc.) will not give a zero result. Or, if you think they will, show me the money. I’ve been making this point for 25 years. So if IQ and zip code and major depression all get similar results for “heritability,” what can you say about the results? Your field has an ideological bent and I would argue that, consciously or unconsciously, testing against the null is taboo. This has led to endless attempts to explain why results haven’t stood up to replication. This is why it took 15 years to see that candidate studies were giving spurious results and this is why GWAS won’t die, even though they have produced almost nothing of substance. There is no need to argue the point, really. If you want to show that Jay Joseph (and me) are wrong in suggesting the null, it is within your power to prove it. Otherwise, you are just spouting opinions.

Francis Schrag's avatar

I'm no expert, but let me repeat a point I've made before. Imagine a mom and dad who have their first child at 30 and their 5th child at 40. Won't their egg and sperm cells at age 40 be different in ways that are likely to affect the embryos? And won't they be different parents with their fifth child? And won't their parenting methods be different? And won't the fifth child be affected by the four siblings? (Perhaps an older sibling will become a surrogate parent.)So, isn't w/i family heritability hugely impacted by environment?

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